Monday, March 17, 2008

The We101 Wizard Peaks Through His Curtain. And It's All In A Name (Quaid, Ritter, Duke, Cone)

I’m gonna piece together a few stories and themes that played out over the weekend. Forgive me if it rambles.

Several people have e-mailed me (or commented) on the horrific story Dennis Quaid & his wife shared with 60 Minutes last night – about their newborn twins (born to a surrogate Mother after years of heartbreaking disappointment) being accidentally & massively overdosed with the blood-thinner heparin. The babies are lucky to be alive. Quaid spoke of the tendency of hospitals to minimize and cover-up mistakes.

Don’t I know it! I know all about something really bad happening and not experiencing another truly happy day.

He also spoke of the “conspiracy of silence” within the innards of hospitals that cloaks these incidents in secrecy. I know just a little bit about that. It’s called “The White Wall” and I’ve been blogging about banging my head against it for several years. Although many people around me have commented that mine is a story for 60 Minutes, I have yet to rate a visit from anyone in New York City. Meanwhile, the “MSM” here (i.e. the Courier Tribune & Greensboro News & Record) don’t think my story (as a doctor whose life was turned to crap for not looking the other way when medical badness went down) is “relevant” to anything.

Quaid also spoke very tellingly of the “Risk Management” (what he accurately describes as the “liability division of the hospital”) and “system failures” (i.e. no one specific to blame) which had caused the deaths of at least three (possibly as many as 19) less-well-named/well-connected infants in other less-prestigious hospitals prior to the Quaids' twins being overdosed at Cedars-Sinai.

Okay. But it does seem to me that in this case, both a pharm-tech and nurse did not read a label or check the decimal points or do their math. A doctor was not even in this equation. But that’s just my armchair medical “analysis”.

The Quaids are not suing the hospital. But in all reality, they don’t have a good claim. In order for a malpractice claim to move forward or be successful, one must be damaged. The Quaid twins survived their ordeal without any apparent long-term/permanent sequelae. No permanent damage translates to no monetary award.

I would hope Mr. & Mrs. Quaid got an apology from the hospital – but I’m not holding my breath.

You see, in our current, very litigious medico-legal environment, it’s Med School 101. Doctors are pretty much told by the lawyers to never say “I’m sorry” (even if they mean it in only a sympathetic way) because it implies guilt. But what the lawyers (and hospitals) involved don’t seem to get is that the silent treatment just makes people madder and increases the likelihood that the angry patient/family is going to do something to bring it to public attention or take it to court.

(The silent treatment accomplishes the same thing in other venues as well.)

Of course, some people are just greedy.

On the legal front, there’s always somebody to sue. Quaid and his wife are suing the drug manufacturer on behalf of their twins . . . over the improper/confusing labeling of the Heparin vials. Again, the twins are healthy (while as many as 19 other less-well-named children are dead), so I’m not sure where that will go. Of course it might entice the company to fix its labels.

But you still have humans reading the labels.

And besides, a very good lawyer once told me that you can’t change the world by filing a lawsuit (even though most people cite that as one of the reasons they file – they want to “fix” something).

I may shortly test that theory with my own case (Sam’s “analysis” notwithstanding).

I'm not so much greedy as really, Really, REALLY pissed off. As, I expect, are the Quaids.

The Quaids are also starting a foundation to help cast more light on “a broken healthcare system”.

I sincerely wish them good luck with that. After my three years in the GSO blogosphere, I'd like to know how they get someone to care. Of course, the fact that Quaid is a hottie movie star might help. The twins are cute too - poster children for sure.

My girl's pretty too.

The second MSM story that caught my eye also involved a Hollywood star. Over the weekend, John Ritter’s widow and the ambulance-chasers whose “analysis” of her husband’s case brought her to Court were told by a jury (in a 9-3 decision) that the doctors who cared for her husband in the final hours of his life made no mistakes which could be categorized as malpractice. I did not comment on the case while it was in play, but from all of my reading about what happened, Ritter’s doctors followed reasonable clinical protocols and established procedures for a man of Ritter’s age & medical history presenting with chest pain. Ritter’s death . . . from a rare, catastrophic aortic dissection (the aorta rips and one bleeds to death internally – oftentimes even if one gets to an OR very quickly) . . . could only have been prevented if the doctors in the ED were equipped with a crystal ball.

The last time I worked in an ED, we didn’t have any of those in stock.

But there’s always at least one lawyer whose “analysis” will call for the crystal ball.

Both of these cases, fawned over by the media (while I, as a medical whistleblower wronged, have languish in a journalistic black hole for ten years), got me to thinking about what makes a story “newsworthy” to the MSM. There is no doubt that the last name of Quaid and a Hollywood agent certainly helped. And Ritter, sitcom king and child of a country music star, was beloved by the whole world (something I feared would drown out any facts when it came to a jury’s sympathy).

Since I am a “terminally self-absorbed”, “malignant narcissit” and “whack-job” who “attacks” other completely innocent, well-meaning bloggers for absolutely no reason (forgive me if I'm done citing the links to their garbage), I’m gonna bring this puppy back to my situation . . . which for some charmed reason or strange association of the stars . . . got quite a bit of keyboard from local bloggers this week.

I am very grateful to Billy and MeB and Bubba AND JOE* for their support – although sometimes I want to do a NCIS-move upside MeB’s head (with affection, of course).

Bubba had his sleeves rolled up and was so ready to stomp some roaches over this We101 thing. If my schedule permits, I will be honored to be on his arm at Converge South.

I’m actually also grateful to JR and Roch Smith, Jr. . . . because their cowardly and despicable actions over the last few weeks proved true everything I’ve ever said or thought about either one of them.

The only voices these two want at the table are those that agree with them.

But I have been wrong about the blogosphere. People can listen - they can see and feel another's pain. People change their minds. People do care. Irrespective of political philosophy, they can empathize and be kind. And they can help.

Now, to answer MeB (who asked at Guarino’s), I’ve got no real beef with Sam (except where has he & his legal acumen been until now?). But he seems more-than -a-little put out that I’m put out with him . . . because I do not just accept as God’s Word his (decidedly defeatist) legal “analysis” of my situation . . . and because I can more-than-ably present my own.

We have a fundamentally different view of how my case should/can be approached. Sam (and Roch – no lawyer) would have me return to (a corrupt) civil court.

On the other hand, I’ve been there and done that – and I want real justice this time (which includes restitution) through a criminal investigation and prosecution. While a long-shot in North Carolina, the law certainly allows for this kind of resolution . . . and it is certainly not impossible or unreasonable given my circumstances. As Connie Mack, Jr. pointed out on Joe's thread, there is legal precedent (quoting Connie - and mentally picturing heads spin - while correcting his typos): "Last month in Georgia, the DA of Cobb County nailed the largest mega-church preacher in Georgia to the cross when he lied in a civil suit. The preacher is now serving 6 months in the local county slammer not counting probation for 5 years and owes a 1/2 million fine to the county for fibbing."

If you adhere to Sam’s puny position (and Roch’s) that it's just a civil matter, I do not suppose there is a case to be made for a lot of press coverage.

But if you believe that a whole lot of hanky-panky went down in Asheboro (i.e. a doctor suffered retaliation for doing the right thing . . . the missions of federal & state programs were thwarted . . . public resources were monopolized for private gain . . . taxpayer dollars were poured down the drain . . . and the executives of a publicly-subsidized/”non-profit” institution behaved unethically & illegally), then that is definitely something that the press could latch onto.

Of course, in order to latch, they’ve got to look. Hasn't happened yet.

Sam authoritatively presents his legal “analysis” as the only analysis (coincidentally shoring up Roch’s “nothing to see here – move on along” act) . . . which it isn’t. As I asked MeB in e-mail correspondance, How am I supposed to take or deal with that except in an adversarial way?

I’ve got to admit, I’m getting a little testy over being accused of “attacking” other bloggers . . . when some of the “well-wishers” doing the accusing have been very quick to dismiss me/my case as “irrelevant”, unworthy of public attention, legally impossible, blahblahblah . I’ve spent quite a bit of keyboard time undoing the damage some of them have done . . . when they pop into a thread and make a negative declaration . . . or make a (bogus) diagnosis or . . . call a name (“liar” comes to mind – and that one BURNED – as the one who dropped it well knew) and leave.

I’ve also spent quite a bit of time spoon-feeding my story and my legal position/expectations . . . based ont the spirit and intent of the law . . . as well as the “analysis” of lawyers who do see ways to move forward (and maybe change the world just a tiny bit).

Now, in terms of "productivity", I would have much rather spent my time anonymously thriving in Pediatric private practice - doing mundane things like routine CME and watching "my kids" grow up. But I've not been able to do that. I've spent ten years eeking out a relatively meager (compared to all of my med-school friends) fighting a corrupt system. I was professionally hosed - my personal life irrevocably altered (no time/no money for marriage or kids). I celebrate the opporunity to sleep in my own bed at night. Moreover, I've got to re-certify my Pediatric Boards in the next two years (undiagnosed ADD made it really hard the first time). And I can guarandamenedteeyou that the things I've learned in the school-of-medicolegal-hard-knocks will not be Board questions.

If Sam (or Roch or anybody else) thinks I'm going to just accept that we all have to accept that some of us are just not "worthy" of justice - on the whim of a biased DA no less - well, he can forget that.

Perhaps it's not about my reaction, but Sam's presentation - which is about as gloomy and defeatist as one could get.

I know it’s something that John Robinson and David Renfro (and local super-bloggers like Ed Cone) do not want to hear, but there IS a roll that local journalists could/should now play in moving my case forward (ala Mike Nifong and the Duke boys – I’ll wrap up with that in a minute).

But first, here’s how I answer MeB with regards to Roch’s low-key back-tracking from banning me at We101 (part this was in an e-mail, so it's all italics):

Roch owes me an apology, MeB. It’s that simple. He was wrong to do what he did and in the manner in which he did it. Moreover, Roch should offer an apology front and center on my blog – rather than burying a curt, “Ed (Cone) made me do it” in Guarino’s thread.

People do not seem to get that I’ve been fighting back-handed stunts like this for ten years (these are the tactics employed by the people I fight – tactics which destroyed everything I held dear). I’ve no patience and zero tolerance for it now.

And maybe, just maybe, if some of the “old guard” bloggers had the insight and sensitivity they profess to have, they’d realize that you do not taunt a wounded animal – push her into a corner – then blame the animal when she bites back. At least I don’t. But this is the "old guard's" MO (as if I pose some kind of threat to their dominance of the medium). And I’m sick of it. If I draw blood when I bite, well, I’ve had the crap kicked out of me (all over everywhere . . . over and over and over again). When those skills are honed, so are teeth.

I’m sorry. There will be no points awarded to Ed Cone for “convincing” Roch to change his mind (and I've love to be privy to what was actually said in the convincing). I still don’t see a link to my blog on Ed’s list of “community” voices (or on JR’s for that matter). If I had to guess, Roch’s decision to reverse himself was more about business and appearances (for We101) than anything Ed said

Roch might hate my guts, but it cannot look like he hates my guts.

While we’re at it (and since spelling it out is working for me so far), let me just go on-the-record about what I’d like to see another well-named local journalist/blogger do (given the blogging-journalism “convergence” called citizen journalism that he's supposedly embraced):


I don’t see Ed Cone of the Cones making any moves on my behalf . . . along the lines of writing a column (whether Ed “likes” me or not, you cannot say this story is not dripping with “hooks” for a “technojournalist”) . . . or using his family connections to say, “Look, I’ve got this doctor-blogger in my universe making some pretty nasty allegations against a hospital that “cooperates” quite a bit with the healthcare system that bears our family name. If what she’s saying is true (and it looks like it is), it might behoove someone in the suit section of the-medical-ivory-tower to look into her situation and make some moves to fix it. I know you guys have some pull with the big guns in Randolph County. So pull.”

He could also say, "Hey, could we help find this chick a local job?"

But we don’t see Ed Cone blogger-king, doing that. If he put just a small amount of the effort that he currently puts into making excuses not to help – into actually doing something to help, he might make a believer out of this blogger. But the “I wish Mary well” act is so stale (especially in light of all the “niceness” he’s pumped out of his own keyboard). I’m sooooooo sick of the lectures on relevance & blogging.

Suggestion to Ed Cone: Trying BEING relevant. It’s not so much to ask. I’ve played his game like a good soldier for over three years.


A year ago, everyone thought the Duke boys' case would be impossible to navigate. Mike Nifong was the Durham DA and that was that. He could do whatever he liked to whomever he liked and the world had to deal with it.

But something changed that . . . and that something was press attention. If memory serves, that attention that was first born of a disturbance in the blogosphere.

Once again that press attention swirled around a prominent name . . . Duke.

Now Mike Nifong is history (and, as is the case with most scapegoats for systemic ills, he was pounded mercilessly into the ground). The Duke boys were totally exonerated and have collected millions in behind-the-scenes damages. They stand to collect more (although I hope they don’t). Boatloads of ink-space all-over-everywhere has been devoted to their cause/case. And OBTW, they’ve been featured on Sixty Minutes.

All that for throwing a bad frat party where drunken racial epithets were hurled at a girl who decided to get even and found a DA gullible enough to use her in order to win an election. And remember folks, Nifong DID win . . . so, as we-the-morally-superior-people revel in his downfall, what does that say about the rest of the general populace of Durham?

Let’s see what the Duke boys’ damages really were: If any of the defendants are not back at Duke, you can rest assured it’s not because free tuition was not offered. So that leaves attorney’s fees (likely more-than-covered by their settlements so far) and a missed Lacrosse season.

Damn. That hurts.

In stark contrast, Dr. Mary Johnson, a not-rich/"nobody" physician in public service, was thrown out on the streets of the small mill-town where she was raised after standing up to the threats of two-hoodlums-in-suits-disguised-as-“non-profit”-hospital-administrators. She defied a threat and answered a phone call in the middle of the night and did her duty and saved a child’s life. Then, after cleaning up the mess (that would have put her directly in the line of fire had the baby died) she refused to be a "team player" and look the other way. To foster a cover-up, her practice was destroyed & absorbed while Randolph Hospital executives and Board members lied to everyone about what they had done and why they had done it. As soon as she filed a lawsuit (ignored by the local press) she was thrown off the medical staff (using a back-room maneuver very similar to the stunt Roch pulled at We101 – again one of the many reasons she may be a little punchy). Then she was (unsuccessfully) sued for telling the truth to the state and federal agencies she had served honorably and well . . . with the headlines of her hometown paper screaming out that she was a "liar" . . . and the publisher covering the hospital's retreat when the facts proved otherwise.

The law that was supposed to protect this doctor was mis-interpreted and manipulated and used like a battering ram against her. Ultimately injury was added to all of the insult when the court she had turned to for justice was corrupted by perjury, contempt and fraud.

All but one of the politicians that she’s written and begged for help (including an ex-Senator named Edwards who spent a lot of time advocating the very kinds of programs she got burned in) turned a deaf ear and dumped her e-mails into File 13. Very "progressive" of them.

And the local newspapers have kept the story buried. John Robinson, Editor of the N&R, has figuratively spat in the doctor's face.

It’s been ten years, folks. That’s a whole lot longer than a lacrosse season. Healthcare scandal after healthcare scandal is rolling out of Raleigh . . . billions wasted . . . people dead . . . the products of YEARS of apathy and neglect.

Yet Dr. Mary Johnson’s story of public service woe and medio-legal corruption is not “relevant” to local journalists?

I honest-to-God do not know what it takes. Except maybe a name.

And I’d love to chat up Dennis Quaid. And Sixty Minutes.

*Late Evening Addendum: I was cross-eyed at the end of this one. It went up fast as thoughts were flying, and I was trying to catch them with my fingers as they zoomed by (someone has said that makes me a writer). So I've done some edits - including adding the always gracious and kind Joe Guarino to the list of people to thank for their keyboard time.

18 comments:

meblogin said...

You have two enemies. Focus on the hospital admins.

The rest of this local stuff is a waste of your time.

Call 60 minutes!

Call 20/20!

DR. MARY JOHNSON said...

Hardly a waste of time. Very theraputic actually.

From my response to an earlier comment you made on the previous Housecall:

"I contacted 60 Minutes once - actually trying to reach the correspondant who did a puff piece on the NHSC. Mike Wallace picked up the secretary's phone (I was told he does that for fun - to freak people out) and I about peed in my pants.

He was nice.

But nothing came of it. My experience contradicted the puff.

So I'm not holding my breath."

I've made the calls you suggest before MeB (and then some). I may try again shortly. But (as you know from one of my e-mails to you this weekend) my plate is very full. I got up at 4:30 AM this morning so I could be a work at 9 AM (I wanted one more night in my own bed).

Fred Gregory said...

I honestly think I could pass voir dire and be seated on a jury in the case you want heard inside a courtroom. Furthermore I think I could participate in rendering a fair and impartial verdict.

I am a persistent guy. If you will give me the luz verde I will do something, my best, to get your matter the attention you belive it deserves.Otey? BTW ..no guarantees.

sspagnola said...

"Sam authoritatively presents his legal “analysis” as the only analysis "

Mary, that is simply not true. It's only my analysis. I have no reason to crap on your birthday cake here. If you think it is negative, I'm sorry. It wasn't planned that way, it is simply based on my own experience and reading of the law. It is not intended to be legal advice in your case.

Other lawyers may have different opinions. I can only speak for myself.

DR. MARY JOHNSON said...

Sam, After a very long day, I've been brutally awakened from a blissful/deep sleep to answer a phone call at 4AM - from a clueless answering service that thinks I'm privileged with CMC in Charlotte (this is my life), so let me answer this.

I preface it by saying I might be a little cranky.

You've had your say about how I come off. THINK about how you come off. Both you and Roch showed up a local blogs making bold very NEGATIVE legal promouncments about your analysis of my case (the details of which neither on of you are privy to - and at this point, I'm not inclined to make either of you privy). Now Roch wants others to just "move on along", so I get that. But you're suppposed to be "sympathetic" to "the cause". So I'm not understanding what gives.

You have your opininon - focused on remedies in civil court. Fine. But as you understand the "adversarial" nature of the law more than most, you should get that (although my only law degree is of the back-yard variety) I've countered your legal argument . . . with something a little less narrowly (and civilly) focused . . . far more "big picture" in its scope (i.e right wrongs within matters pertaining to public safety & health) . . . and more more in line with the letter and intent of the law (i.e. "non-profit" executives, of all people, should not feel "safe" in lying to a Court). I'm sorry you don't like it (Roch clearly didn't either).

At the risk of being accused of "attacking" you (grow up), allow me to be blunt (since you have). You and Roch crapped on my birthday cake and I've spent quite a bit of time scraped the crap off.

As I've said, I've got no real beef with you. But please STOP "helping". You're not adding ANYTHING to the "productive" department.

meblogin said...

copy of same that I left at Joe's...seemed accurate here as well--

Mary,

I continue to not understand why you would choose to alienate those that might be somewhat supportive or neutral to your cause.

You probably have answered before.... If you are successful with the perjury charge and the two hospital admins are found guilty....does this free you up to sue for additional dollars and would that be your plan?

thanks and go get the bad guys!

sspagnola said...

Mary, you portray my comments as being negative on purpose. That is not the case.

Being sympathetic doesn't mean spoon-feeding you bullshit to make you feel better when it disagrees with my understanding of the law.

You fail to distinguish that people can sympathize with many aspects with your case, but still believe there is little or nothing that can be done. You seem angry that people have reached that conclusion simply because they don't see it exactly your way.

If you only want to hear from people who agree with you, then you are no better than Mr. Cone, which is a comparison I don't really want to make. Attacking those who have commented on your case but see it differently apparently garners a "shut up" from you rather than a respectful disagreement.

I think that turns a lot of people off.

DR. MARY JOHNSON said...

As blogs are "subversive" at work, I've come home for lunch to get these comments posted - with a response. I don't have a lot of time - fingers are flying again.

Sam, with all due respect to you and your legal opinion, I'm not trying to "alienate" anybody. But my "read" on this exchange so far is that the lawyer is upset because the doctor/non-laywer has stepped on his ego/toes - by presenting a different legal approach (which explains why the doctor came to the blogosphere three years ago). The approach is completely within the law and entirely possible. That is, if the doctor (who has been stomped on by so many of your profession - lawyers who lied) does not accept your analysis and just gives up

During my ten years sparring on and off with lawyers, I've found that many of them cannot stand it when a doctor is not afraid of them or their arguments.

So, before you get all huffy and shoot off the potty mouth again, THINK about what I've already been through AND AT WHOSE HANDS. Then put down the stick and stop hitting the dog. We're not enemies. We disagree on the approach I'm taking to rectify a bunch of bad things that happened to me. They did not happen to you. It's why you're not so invested. I accept that.

But it's my life.

My lawyer lied to me. The hospital's lawyers lied to the Court. A settlement was crafted upon those lies. Your position is that I have no remedy. Your position is UNACCEPTABLE to me. I've outlined an alternative that it doable (with some help/press attention) and it is NOT "bullshit" (because it might change something about our broken systems of medical & legal oversight for the better).

If you want to talk about "turn-offs", I am tired of lawyers saying, "It's not personal", then doing everything they can to rip you to shreds. It sure feels personal. I am sure, given the adversarial nature of what you do, you don't even realize you're doing it (all the while saying you're sympathetic). But be real clear. That is exactly what you are doing here. THINK about it. I came to the blogs for help and support. If you can't give it, state your position (which I accept) and gracefully bow out. There is something to be said for the adage, "If you cannot say something nice . . . ".

It's my blog and my cause. You are welcome to join it. But (unlike over at Cone's place) you're simply not going to get the last word here by wearing me out. I'm going to FIGHT for what I think . . . what I KNOW is right. That's all there is to it.

As an aside, I remember all the hullabaloo over Nifong not so long ago. One of the solutions offered up by the many keyboard pundits was to raise some hell and get him voted out of office. But he did not get voted out. In the alternative, the local/national press raised enough hell to get Nifong to send the case on to Roy Cooper (sealing his own ugly downfall). I was, quite literally, amazed at Nifong's arrogance and naivetee (when he could've just dropped the case fairly early on - before he started lying to the Court). But it was all about his big lawyer ego. In making the referral to the AG, Nifong apparently thought he was just going to get slapped on the hand (for lying - and his expectations were very telling about our legal system if you asked me). The reality was he was dogmeat . . .destined to be scapegoated by the State Bar (that wanted this case to just go away) . . . and he was too dumb to know it.

The rest is history - productive of a successful outcome for young men victimized by a corrupt system who thought they were in an impossible situation. But the press moved on. I don't see anything else happening. The Bar's ruse (scapgoating Nifong for showcasing system ills) worked.

Voting the DA out of office is solution that's been suggested to me re: Garland Yates - i.e. "wait" on him to run again (which he is doing this year) and then raise hell and get him voted out. But the problem with that theory is that he's the only lawyer running for the seat in Randolph County - no one has the gumption to take him on.

The other BIG problem here is our local press - which seems determined to protect Bob Morrison/Randolph Hospital, and by extension, Cone Hospital (which is the REAL force behind a lot of what Randolph does).

My solution is predicated on press attention - press attention that has so far been denied because the local powers-that-be-in-journalism don't want me to get that attention. The newspapers know that (1) if what a local hospital did to a home-grown doc for saving a baby's life got out to the general "red-county-God-fearing" populace and was properly fueled, it would enrage the locals (many of whom now find themselves on the wrong end of another one of well-connected Bob's schemes) . . . and (2) back-tracking on their "it's not relevant to anything" stance at this late date (and admitting they've been short-sighted and just plain wrong) would be embarassing.

If you don't think what I propose is possible or reasonable or legally/ethically/medically right, fine. But to continually show up in these threads after I've countered your argument (which concidentally, is Roch's) and whine about me being forceful in my responses to adversarial statements is (1) not "productive" and (2) only entertaining Cone & Roch (and probably Fec;). They're eating this up. Think about that before you spew from the keyboard again.

By the way, given the "citizen journalism" garbage we've all been spoon-feed over the last three years - what I've outlined for Mr. Cone is not unreasonable. There is a BIG difference between Edward Cone and I. I'm here fighting for something that is very important to me. I don't know what Ed's doing.

Over the last few days, in the wake of being banned from commenting at (1) The Editor's Blog and (2) a local blog aggregator by people of influence in this blogosphere who really want me to just shut up/give up/roll over/die/go away, I've bent over backwards to answer everyone's questions and present my case. I appreciate, very/Very/VERY much, the opportunity to do so - as well as the recent support I've gotten from local bloggers - who don't think what I'm asking for is either too much or legally impossible. But I'm getting a little tired of the bait and switch routine.

MeB, I've already answered your question about what is possible through a resolution of a criminal complaint (and Connie did to - I'm once again mentally picturing heads spin). YOU know I am taking steps to move foward. You know I am not blogging all of that right now. And you know why. You also know that many of things that people have suggested to me I've already done - several times over.

It's my opinion - my "anlaysis" if you will - that it is far past the time for our local press (and blogosphere) to stop making excuses and step up to the plate and shine a spotlight on all of the reasons our systems of medical and legal oversight do not work.

If our legal system doesn't work to provide equitable remedies to ordinary citizens that are consistant with the intent and spirit of the law (Sam), it's way past the time it got fixed.

My case is more than relevant to that. Sign up or sign off. But DO NOT GET IN MY WAY!

sspagnola said...

"state your position (which I accept) and gracefully bow out."

The problem is that is exactly what I did, and you did not accept it. Instead, you turned it around as a "negative" attack when it was only my opinion based on my experience.

"There is something to be said for the adage, "If you cannot say something nice . . . ".

That is translating to "unless you agree with me, shut up". Disagreeing with you on the current state of your case is not saying something mean. You are attacking the wrong people.

This has nothing to do with fear of you stepping on my toes. You lose credibility when you make such statements based on these conversations. My ego has nothing to do with it, and again, making such claims solely based on my offering my analysis that you disagree with undermines your credibility and turns people away.

It is beginning to appear to me that your only use and interest for people at all is if they will see things exactly your way and agree with you on the present state of your case and devote as much time and interest in it as you have. Otherwise, your attitude is "to hell with you", and you attack them as being negative or trying to hurt you or being ego driven.

This is bound to alienate people because it seems selfish. We may have many areas of agreement and I know we have agreed on matters in the past, but you seem intent on running me down because I reach a different conclusion than you on what your options are.

My opinion isn't a personal attack. I cited the law and my understanding of its application to your case. There were no personal attacks on you or attempts to undermine you. That is what I meant about spoon feeding. I could lie to you about my opinion and apparently get your approval, or I could offer my honest, neutral opinion (which I did) and be accused of seeking to do you harm.

I'm not at war with you Mary, but I must say that your response to my comments seems to indicate that you are only interested in people for what they can do for you, and if they don't agree with you on where you can/should go from here, they are quickly discarded and portrayed as out to get you.

DR. MARY JOHNSON said...

Sam, for pity's sake, HOW have you bowed out? You keep coming back and saying the same things (in an increasingly adversarial fashion) over and over again, and expecting a different response from me. And who is running who down? I could pull a Dr. Sue and make a "diagnosis" here, but I won't.

You can "translate" all you like. I have NOT "attacked" you. I have painstakingly outlined how your "analysis" (and Roch's analysis) of my case is NOT the only analysis . . . and how "justice" (whatever that means at this point) might finally be served. I haven't told you to "shut up". I've told you that I've heard and considered your opinion and discarded it as something that does not work for me. And I've tried to say (nicely) that I'd rather not hear it over and over and over again . . . and have this thread deteriorate into just another pissing contest.

What does one do with opinions, Sam? One considers and accepts or discards them as helpful or not. Yours is not helpful to me. Therefore I do discard it. That does NOT translate to "the hell with you". My position is not about you unless YOU make it about you.

I'm almost afraid to ask, but HOW is telling me that I have no recourse and I should just accept/get over every nasty thing that I've suffered in the-joke-that-is-our-legal-system (I'm translating now, I know), a "neutral" position? That sounds just like a laywer.

Cone must be loving this.

My credibility comes from the fact that I have been telling the same story for ten years (the basic story has not changed one iota) - NOT from any online spat we're having because I've apparently tripped over your legally fantastic opinion.

I was screwed in public service . . . and then again by the NC court system that I turned to for protection/vindication (in what I like to call a "reverse Nifong"). IF you're truly "sympathetic" to that, IF you do care, then do something to HELP - i.e. add your voice to others in the blogosphere (like MeB, and Joe and Billy) who think this case is "relevant" and should be heard . . . ASK for the criminal investigation I resquested from the Randolph County DA in 2003 (long before any civil statutes of limitations ran out) . . . ASK for local journalists to grow a backbone, meet the promise behind the rhetoric of "citizen journalism" and take a second look.

But if you can't do that, well then yes (as MeB says) sparring with you is wasting valuable time that I could be spending on activities that actually move things forward (I've spent HOURS this week on these responses) - and conversing with people who are truly sympathetic. I would like to focus on - and "attack" the right people. But you're in the way. I'm asking you to graciously step aside. Agree to disagree (as Cone would say) and move on along (as Roch would say).

And yes, I DO want to hear from (and would rather chat up) people who can lift me up. That's just human nature. Interpret that any way you like. But it's your interpretation.

I welcome (with humility and a grateful heart) any help I can get.

meblogin said...

Doc,

Why would you simply not thank the contributor for their opinions and appreciate their support?

Why the need to ask them to move along and stop commenting?

...back is killing me and using red grapes to help...

me

meblogin said...

Did you take Fred up on his offer to help?

...and yes...I had to google the words in order to understand him...

:)

DR. MARY JOHNSON said...

Red grapes? I use high-dose Motrin.

MeB, I've heard what Sam has to say. I sincerely thank him for any "sympathy" he has to offer. But at this point, with regards to our difference of opinion about my legal options (particularly the way he's trying to frame me now - because I've forcefully defended my position), I'm way tired of expending precious keyboard time on what amounts to a pissing contest.

I've not banned. I've not de-linked. I've not deleted. And (rather than ignore) I have answered every comment point-for-point.

But when I start to empathize with Ed Cone, it's way past the time to stop.

And when Sam offers some genuine "support" I'll be happy to accept it.

I've got something to do tonight other than pound away at a keyboard, so I will not be back tonight to moderate or respond to comments.

sspagnola said...

If you believe there is a remedy still available to you that is attainable, I wish you the best of luck in that endeavor. I'm sorry if that isn't enough.

Perhaps as between you and me, we should not revisit this topic further before there is some unnecessary permanent damage.

DR. MARY JOHNSON said...

Sam, now you really do sound like a lawyer.

"This topic" is my life. Living it. Right now.

I will tell you what I've told Ed Cone. If you, as a blogger in this so-called "community" of concerned and progressive citizens truly "wish" me well, the "wish" is kind of hollow if you don't take steps to back it up.

There IS a remedy. I've described how it IS attainable. And I believe.

The invitation . . . the challenge . . . remains open for you and Ed and JR and Roch (and anyone else) to make all the flowery rhetoric REAL and BE RELEVANT. While I'm genuinely grateful for nice thoughts, I'm very sorry some folks can't do something besides think and post/posture. It's a question many non-bloggers have asked: What does it accomplish if all one does is talk?

As for "unnecessary permanent damage", thanks to some very oily members of your profession, that is the story of my life.

It's why I'm here.

I'll say it again. Our systems of medical and legal oversight are broken. My case (so far buried by a local press that cannot admit it makes mistakes in judgment) speaks volumes to that.

Care to do anything about it?

sspagnola said...

Again Mary, what would you have people do on your behalf?

DR. MARY JOHNSON said...

The very heaviest of sighs.

Again, Sam. Asked and answered dozens of times in dozens of ways.

But for my next post, I'll "top-level" an answer and address it to you.

DR. MARY JOHNSON said...

And MeB, I have not had the time this week to chat up Fred. Contrary to what many in this blogosphere think, I do have a life.

Just not the one I wanted.